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Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks

Posted by rjustice 
Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
June 15, 2009 10:02PM
If you have never had the QC off of your machine you will need to use heat. I mentioned in the video that mine had been changed out before, and I only used a couple drops of BLUE locktite on it to keep it from vibrating loose.

I am always glad to help when I can, but keep in mind, that you are doing the following at your own risk. Please be cautious and don’t burn yourself, the belts on your machine, the rubber seals on your spindle bearings, and most importantly, dont burn your building down….

Some of this has been posted before, but this is a more methodical, step by step approach... Thanks to those that came up with the rod idea, I think that was a great idea!

Here we go....

1) Unplug machine
2) Remove the top cover - there has been a report of getting it too hot, and having it warp from the heat inside the machine..
3) Get a piece of 1/2" cold rolled stock from the hardware, and cut it off to a length of about 3” or so. See attached pictures. (I used a 1/2"x3" dowel)
4) Clamp up on this rod in one of the 1/2" QC bit adapters leaving the rod stick out the back of the bit adapter by about 5/8” as show in the pictures.
5) The threads that you are trying to break loose are actually above the bit adapter, so by leaving it stick out, it is up into the chuck exactly where you want the heat. If you look at the last picture, you can see that the rod is not quite flush with the back of the QC when it is out of the bit adapter 5/8.
6) Lock the bit adapter with the rod in place into the QC in the machine. and with the head cranked up close to the top, push the Z truck down to the bottom of it's travel.
7) Use a couple layers of aluminum foil crumpled up to hold its shape, then flatten it a little, and wrap it around the Z body, and the back of the lower head to protect it, and protect the belts from heat. Try to get it situated so there is some air gap between the layers. Also crumple up a couple sheets, and flatten them out to place on the sandpaper belts so you dont accidently burn them.
8) Soak a piece of cloth in cold water, and wrap around the "Z" Truck to isolate from the heat as well.
9) Using a propane torch, heat the end of the rod, for at least 2-3 minutes, using Low to Medium heat. It will start to "Blush Red".
10) Place the thin wrench on the shelf to hold its self, and place the square tool into the top of the spindle.
11) Using a jerking motion (as seen in the video), rather than hard even torque… to try to break it loose.
12) If it doesn’t break free, heat it longer and try again a few times.
13) if this doesn’t work, heat up the plastic ring on the QC, and peel it off with a pair of pliers
14) Apply heat to the steel chuck body where you removed the plastic, and repeat step 10-12.
15) Just keep repeating this, and eventually you will get the loctite to the point of softening enough to break free. When it is hot enough you will know, as it wont take much force.
16) Turn off the torch, smile, and take a nice drink of your favorite beverage! The Hard part is over!!
17) See the "Rock" install video here -> [www.youtube.com]

I hope this helps!

Good luck,

Ron

For a current list, and to order custom tools and accessories I make for your CarveWright, see [www.cw-parts.com]
See a quick video of the new Rock Chuck in action! [www.youtube.com]
See the Rock install video at [www.youtube.com]



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/28/2009 02:24PM by rjustice.


Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
June 18, 2009 12:52PM
Thanks Ron. This is going to help alot. Just waiting for my 2nd square tool to arrive in the mail. I wont break this one!!!
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June 19, 2009 08:56PM
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Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
June 20, 2009 12:47AM
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Lostinthefrost
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can everyone else see the text that i typed in the original post with the pictures?

THanks,
Ron

For a current list, and to order custom tools and accessories I make for your CarveWright, see [www.cw-parts.com]
See a quick video of the new Rock Chuck in action! [www.youtube.com]
See the Rock install video at [www.youtube.com]
PCW
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
June 20, 2009 08:18AM
Ron

Yes all the text is there as well as the pictures.
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
July 04, 2009 09:50AM
I have changed out 2 new refurbished "Z" trucks, and on these they are not using red, but something that looks yellow after heating and removing it. The method of using the 1/2" rod sticking out the back of the bit adapter by 5/8" worked perfectly. I did have to heat it long enough to get the rod glowing soft red. Once it started blushing red, i left the heat on it another 30 seconds, and it came loose immeditately. I checked to see how warm the bearings were as soon as i got the chuck off, and they were just warm enough that i was able to hold my fingers on them. The threads were too hot to hold my fingers on. My point in posting this is that i believe this to be a verified method to remove the chuck no matter what the loctite product was used. If done carefully, you wont have a problem breaking the square tools, and you will be successful.
Oh, BTW, on one of them, the brand new chuck wouldnt open up to accept the bit adapter. had to perform surgery on it before i could get it to accept the rod.

For a current list, and to order custom tools and accessories I make for your CarveWright, see [www.cw-parts.com]
See a quick video of the new Rock Chuck in action! [www.youtube.com]
See the Rock install video at [www.youtube.com]
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
July 04, 2009 10:24AM
Mine had yellow threadlocker too and came out no problem. The 1/2" steel rod technique is , I believe, the best method for several reasons; steel is a poor heat conductor, so it is easier to control the speed and amount of heat going into the chuck. Second, the heat goes from the rod to the adaptor to the chuck and last to the spindle. You can leave your finger on the thread of the spindle and feel the heat while you heat the rod with a propane torch. I did not have to heat until the rod start to glow, I only put a low flame of about 1" long to the rod and slowly rotate the chuck, took about 3 minutes to warm it then it came off.

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Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
August 03, 2009 08:50PM
Just a heads up for others installing the Rock, make sure you have the gap between the top of the rock chuck and the spindle as the install video shows. I didn't have enough gap on mine and the spindle heated up real quick. Being new to the machine I figured I had gotten lube into the bearings from the flex shaft and it took a couple days to figure out the real cause.

-Tom
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
August 04, 2009 07:02AM
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Tom S
Just a heads up for others installing the Rock, make sure you have the gap between the top of the rock chuck and the spindle as the install video shows. I didn't have enough gap on mine and the spindle heated up real quick. Being new to the machine I figured I had gotten lube into the bearings from the flex shaft and it took a couple days to figure out the real cause.

-Tom

Hi Tom,
Thank you for reporting this. There is a stop thread inside the Locking collar that spins up onto the spindle that should have kept this from happening, but i was concerned that there may be a short spindle out there somewhere... you may have one!.... I am curious if you put the large diameter, that has the wrench flats in it, up towards the spindle as shown in the video? The small diameter end (that doesnt have the wrench flats) is threaded deeper and would definitely hit. If it is installed the correct way, It shouldnt hit. I am interested in your feedback.

Thanks sincerely,

Ron

For a current list, and to order custom tools and accessories I make for your CarveWright, see [www.cw-parts.com]
See a quick video of the new Rock Chuck in action! [www.youtube.com]
See the Rock install video at [www.youtube.com]
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
August 04, 2009 09:26AM
Ron,

To the best of my knowledge I did have the locking collar installed in the correct direction. It did look like there was a very small gap and I couldn't feel it bind on the initial install. But it sure heated up quick while spinning. After reinstalling, the spindle is running cool.

-Tom
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
August 04, 2009 02:25PM
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Tom S
Ron,

To the best of my knowledge I did have the locking collar installed in the correct direction. It did look like there was a very small gap and I couldn't feel it bind on the initial install. But it sure heated up quick while spinning. After reinstalling, the spindle is running cool.

-Tom

Thanks again for the feedback. When i was designing the locking collar, i found two lengths when i inspected the spindles. You may just have another odd one. Do you know if you bottomed out the locking collar when you screwed it up onto the spindle?

Ron

For a current list, and to order custom tools and accessories I make for your CarveWright, see [www.cw-parts.com]
See a quick video of the new Rock Chuck in action! [www.youtube.com]
See the Rock install video at [www.youtube.com]
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
August 04, 2009 08:15PM
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rjustice
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Tom S
Ron,


To the best of my knowledge I did have the locking collar installed in the correct direction. It did look like there was a very small gap and I couldn't feel it bind on the initial install. But it sure heated up quick while spinning. After reinstalling, the spindle is running cool.

-Tom

Thanks again for the feedback. When i was designing the locking collar, i found two lengths when i inspected the spindles. You may just have another odd one. Do you know if you bottomed out the locking collar when you screwed it up onto the spindle?

Ron

I'm not sure if it bottomed on the first install. I used wrenches on both the square tool and collar the first time.
The way it is installed now,I just hand tightened the collar then used wrenches for the chuck install. I know it is not bottomed now.

-Tom
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
August 17, 2009 06:55AM
FYI

I had to remove a old QC after it start chase me with bits flying out. I used Rons sq tool and wrench and a small 3/8 drive air wrench to the sq tool.

Now this mother had been on there as I have broke 2 of rons tools in the past. it the air tool and pop right loose no problem.

Put one of the 3 QC I have left back on and it runs smoother than any QC i have had who knows maybe it is one of those 500 hr ones

BTW I started cleaning my old qc up using a mixture of ATF and Marvel Mys oil. Believe it our not this is what many gunsmiths clean the weapons with. I took an old QC that was sticking bad and made a 6 hr carve and it was still clicking free and easy after cleaning it this way

Going to tear down the CW Mon as have to replace a belt so will see what make this shit tick

Steve the kids have left home. it was fun while it lasted
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
August 17, 2009 08:19AM
"Steve the kids have left home. it was fun while it lasted "

That must be a breath of fresh air!

Steve
GGB
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 02, 2009 07:49PM
Hi to everyone. I just got my CW a couple of weeks ago. Been checking out the tutorials and forums before I jumped in and wanna make sure I don't screw up my machine right off the bat. Getting ready to go farther in debt and order the rock. Wanted to get your pro opinions about what I need to purchase.

Package #1
1/2" bit adapter
1/4" sleeve

or do I need to get both size adapters and sleeves? Also, should I buy some spare sandpaper belts right away?

Thanks
Gordon

p.s. anyone in the Virginia Beach Va area?
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 02, 2009 08:20PM
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GGB
Hi to everyone. I just got my CW a couple of weeks ago. Been checking out the tutorials and forums before I jumped in and wanna make sure I don't screw up my machine right off the bat. Getting ready to go farther in debt and order the rock. Wanted to get your pro opinions about what I need to purchase.

Package #1
1/2" bit adapter
1/4" sleeve

or do I need to get both size adapters and sleeves? Also, should I buy some spare sandpaper belts right away?

Thanks
Gordon

p.s. anyone in the Virginia Beach Va area?

Hi Gordon,
Thanks for your interest in the Rock Chuck!.. If you go with the 1/2" version in Kit#1, and go with the 1/2 to 1/4 Rock Sleeve, you will be able to hold any tools that you purchased from CW. If you are interested in trying my 1/8 cutout bits, they have 1/8" shanks, so you would want to go with the 1/2 to 1/8" Rock sleeve as well. I offer the cutout bits in 2 lengths, and they are $14 less than CW's...

If you need any other info feel free to contact me, or post here...

Thanks again,

Ron

For a current list, and to order custom tools and accessories I make for your CarveWright, see [www.cw-parts.com]
See a quick video of the new Rock Chuck in action! [www.youtube.com]
See the Rock install video at [www.youtube.com]
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 02, 2009 08:31PM
Hello Gordon and Welcome to the forum.

Question #1: I have the 1/4 inch Rock and a 1/4 to 1/8 inch adapter for Rons cut bit. I am happy with what I have BUT I should have planned better. I have the complete CW Bit Set. This set has 1/2 and 1/4 inch shaft bits. If I was to do it over, I would buy the 1/2 inch Rock and bit adapters to downsize to smaller shafts.

Question #2: Sandpaper belts are cheap. They have a better replacement. That replacement requires some slight modifications due to their thickness. I also think it requires a re-calibration due to the thickness difference but I am not sure about that. I bought some spare sandpaper belts mjust to have around BUT DUE TO LHR's HIGH SHIPPING COST, I ordered them with other items so the shipping cost would have less of an economic impact on my wallet.

Opinion: You cannot go wrong with Ron's Rock Chuck. It is quality all over. You will have fewer problems if you add a good downdraft table/dust collection to your system along with the Rock. Also, get some masking ntape. I use the blue painters tape as it is a little thicker than standard masking tape. Put it on the edge of the board that will make contact with the brass roller. A lot of issues, due to tracking, are solved with tape and a good dust collection/down draft system will help keep your machine clean and happy!

Hope this helps,

Steve
PCW
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 02, 2009 10:23PM
Welcome to the forum.

My vote is for the
Package #1
1/2" bit adapter
1/4" sleeve

You will have alot more freedom in bit selection. Don't forget the flat wrenches and square bit removal tool that Ron sells as well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2009 10:24PM by PCW.
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 02, 2009 11:57PM
Hello and welcome this is where you find all the nuts hanging out, (go head Steve I dare ya)

I vote package 1

and when you can see Ring Neck for his dust hood I run 2 units and soon a 3rd all have the rock in some form all will have the dust hood also it is a cheap investment when you consider bits cost 40 each
beside it saves me from having to blow so hard on the hose to clean up the machine. Hell maybe they meant suck on it. ever wonder why its called a BJ? I ponder thing like that
PCW
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 03, 2009 12:26AM
Hess


You cut that out right now. Go see a Doctor and get some help while there is still time left.smoking smiley Just kidding with you Pal.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/03/2009 12:53PM by PCW.
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 03, 2009 03:27AM
OK Hess.. You been off the pills again? Or is that On?

Hehehe

Steve
GGB
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 03, 2009 12:42PM
Thanks for the info. I guess I also need to get Photo Shop or something. Any suggestions?
GGB
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 03, 2009 01:50PM
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Hess
Hello and welcome this is where you find all the nuts hanging out, (go head Steve I dare ya)

I vote package 1

and when you can see Ring Neck for his dust hood I run 2 units and soon a 3rd all have the rock in some form all will have the dust hood also it is a cheap investment when you consider bits cost 40 each
beside it saves me from having to blow so hard on the hose to clean up the machine. Hell maybe they meant suck on it. ever wonder why its called a BJ? I ponder thing like that


Hess, where can I get the dust hood?
Gordon
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 03, 2009 06:04PM
Gordon,

Here: [www.ringneckblues.com]

Steve
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 03, 2009 11:09PM
Gordy check your pm

I have Ring neck hood on 2 and will be adding to the 3rd

Dam now I got to pay another Rock and I sold one to Al awhile back



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/03/2009 11:24PM by Hess.
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 03, 2009 11:22PM
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GGB
Thanks for the info. I guess I also need to get Photo Shop or something. Any suggestions?

I got PS but it is a limited ed so I dont get all the features

I got a copy of the new Corel off EBay for 100 I got a kid in school? it does a lot

have been using a trail of mesh cam art which the maker is very good about extending the 30 day it work very well but have to say that since I stared pulling teeth and using PE that came with the scaner I can do the same with pe alone still would like to have the MC
GGB
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 14, 2009 03:49PM
Ron,
Got the RC installed, went nice and smooth. I want to get the bits out of the adapters that came with the machine but the adapters are different than the ones that came in the 11 pc set, (no wrench flats). So how do the bits come out?

Thanks
Gordon
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 14, 2009 04:49PM
stick em in a vise and use a vise grips on the 2 holders
The adapter may be FU but you will not need them and they are almost impossible to sell
GGB
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 14, 2009 05:07PM
Thenks Hess!
Re: Removing the QC... Details for stubborn chucks
November 15, 2009 03:37PM
Yep,
Hess qualifies for the frequent buyer discount!!! hot smiley


Quote
Hess
Hello and welcome this is where you find all the nuts hanging out, (go head Steve I dare ya)

I vote package 1

and when you can see Ring Neck for his dust hood I run 2 units and soon a 3rd all have the rock in some form all will have the dust hood also it is a cheap investment when you consider bits cost 40 each
beside it saves me from having to blow so hard on the hose to clean up the machine. Hell maybe they meant suck on it. ever wonder why its called a BJ? I ponder thing like that
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